Maybe I've become too tolerant of my tolerance.

And maybe that's acceptance.

After all, I work with humans.

And, well, if tolerance and acceptance aren't part of the work, then what am I doing?

Our work is human work.

And, man, it's work.

I accept that.
#Project180

There are not many things I oppose more than this. #EdChat Read 'Bill to arm teachers advances in Tennessee in wake of deadly school shooting' on SmartNews: l.smartnews.com/p-BA99f/SAd5pD

Dennis Dill AKA Green Dragon Tom Whitby #edchat I want CTE & academics to work together. We should do that instead of living & working in our bubbles. Let's stop making excuses & dump useless content to create real problem solving opportunities #PBL for kids using math, science, social studies and language.

Susan Carriker Tom Whitby I don’t disagree with you but I am saying the concepts of time are different … CTE collaboration isn’t a 2 class period thing and both classes may not be doing something that meshes well. #edchat

Susan Carriker Dennis Dill AKA Green Dragon Tom Whitby There are real-world problems everyone faces, in every workplace, etc. I hear you saying this is reality, and that separating out college track v vocational track is actually a false separation in some ways #edchat

Dennis Dill AKA Green Dragon Tom Whitby #edchat but, that is my point. FIX THAT. We do NOT need to teach ONE thing at a time, teach each subject in isolation. The world doesn't work that way and SCHOOL SHOULDN'T EITHER. If we change it, it can mesh well.

Harvey Alvy ASCA ASCD #edchat but, now the kids going into some of these programs are coming out debt free, with good jobs and salaries and benefits comparable to those of their teachers! Times have changed... Colleges haven't kept up. Those CTE programs are looking better and better

Thanks for joining tonight's #edchat and for so many excellent suggestions to foster career-ready options beyond the traditional university. Thanks to co-moderators Tom Whitby Dana believes in justice and liberation🦩📝🌈 Mark E. Weston Ph.D. .

In reality soft borders, or no borders, should exist between academic & vocational programs. Too much specialization limits an organization's ability to innovate and flourish. For example, for a climate change initiative to succeed expertise on many levels is needed. #edchat

Dana believes in justice and liberation🦩📝🌈 I know it is from a community college #edchat

Plus in many cases, isn't it possible to transfer courses from a trade school or community college to a four-year university? And that's nothing new! #EdChat

Dana believes in justice and liberation🦩📝🌈 From my brief research (I just checked out a Forbes article via Google), trade schools are about half the cost of in-state tuition. #edchat

When the comprehensive HS was organized in the early 1900s academic AND vocational programs were highlighted.Unfortunately affluent students took 'college prep' while new immigrant & minority students were encouraged to only take vocational classes. #edchat ASCA ASCD

#EdChat the one thing that is NOT working is the coordination between academics & career tech. The time for collaboration is NOW. The core academic teachers and leaders NEED to work with industry and CTE teachers to redesign our courses to SUPPORT what they are doing.

This week during #EdChat we're looking at post-secondary options other than university education. What strategies can schools and communities use to help students find careers that are a good fit for them?

#edchat the future is skills training & job placement. There will still be a college track for some, but that should not be the primary focus of secondary ed. Kids need opportunity to explore careers and find their passion. Getting into a college should not be the only goal

Thanks, Dennis. What suggestions do you have to improve the program? See options recommended by Susan Carriker #edchat

#edchat Our career and technical program offered training and job placement in HVAC, culinary arts and partnered with a local shipyard to provide training (welding and more) and kids got excellent jobs right out of High School

Thanks, Robin. All good examples as alternative pathways for students, beyond traditional college options. #edchat

Thanks Susan, the Health Science example is a great option beyond the traditional college pathway, since students can earn credits right away. #edchat