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Offbeat views from wine critic-turned industry-analyst (Meininger's) producer (le Grand Noir, K'AVSHIRI). Consultant Georgia, Moldova
27-09-2008 15:06:26
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wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ Thanks for kicking off the debate before I got round to it!
I agree that a very strong case could be made for the 1980s, but I'm arguing that the extraordinary initial flowering was in that earlier period
wine thinker (wine_thinker on Thre@ds) wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ Hard to argue against such a comprehensive missive in favour of the 1970s, which focuses on innovation and the changing way in which wine was sold. Throw vintage quality into the mix and maybe the another decade would be in the lead.
Chris Kissack wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ I agree 100% about quality. Average quality in the 1980s was still poor and in the 1970s, surely poorer.
wine thinker (wine_thinker on Thre@ds) Chris Kissack wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ Iโm not sure about the decade, but this surely one of sparks that started the fire.
Darren Oemcke wine thinker (wine_thinker on Thre@ds) Chris Kissack wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ Sure did.
Darren Oemcke wine thinker (wine_thinker on Thre@ds) Chris Kissack wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ John Stanford, old school wine journalist, lovely bloke, now gone. Told me in the late '50's (I think) was involved in technical extension - they went around McLaren Vale with a pH meter in wooden box, testing for winemakers. Napa would do well to follow suit.
Brian Fletcher wine thinker (wine_thinker on Thre@ds) Chris Kissack wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ I believe the pH meter that Ray Beckwith first used was borrowed from Adelaide Uni at around that time.
Darren Oemcke Brian Fletcher wine thinker (wine_thinker on Thre@ds) Chris Kissack wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ Didnโt Beckwith persuade Penfolds to buy the pH meter? philip white will know. But 1930s?
Philip Reedman Darren Oemcke Brian Fletcher wine thinker (wine_thinker on Thre@ds) Chris Kissack wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ An obituary drinkster.blogspot.com/2012/11/ray-beโฆ and the astonishing speech he made at his 100th birthday lunch: drinkster.blogspot.com/2012/02/ray-beโฆ
philip white Philip Reedman Darren Oemcke Brian Fletcher wine thinker (wine_thinker on Thre@ds) Chris Kissack wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ Lovely work as usual Whitey. Sometime after Carol recovers from hip replacement we need to visit.
Dodges Ferry Philip Reedman Darren Oemcke Brian Fletcher wine thinker (wine_thinker on Thre@ds) Chris Kissack wineworldnews @MeiningersWBI TuscanVines ยฎ Wolf Blass Wines Elizabeth Gabay MW ๐ท๐น๐ฟ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ Oz Clarke Hugh Johnson Jancis Robinson Tim Atkin Jamie Goode Randall Grahm swami Iyer The Wine Wankers ๐พ๐ค๐๐ฅ john brunton Talk-a-Vino James Walker Cathrine Todd Liz Palmer RareWine Group Rogelio Galvรกn ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ Winemaker/singer Maynard James Keenan meets Ray Beckwith's pH meter at Penfold's Magill, 2013:
