K: many of us have stopped participating in these debates in fake news era bc it's essentially debating someone's existence.

K: frustrated w/ assumption that UofT is covered by C16 - it is covered by ON Human Rights Code.

K: Professor Peterson has the freedom to post the videos but everyone still subject to ON HRC in class.

Kirkup involved in the No Big Deal campaign - modest effort to dial down the rhetoric to a place where ppl of all genders can flourish

Prof Thomas: If I called a male student a “she” maliciously, I would not be allowed to do that. So this is completely reasonable.

Kirkup: It is incumbent upon us to try and push back on these commentators - or maybe the strategy is to completely disengage.

Q: Limits of accommodation? K: Big question for tribunals for where you find limits - this is the kind of debate I wish we would be having

Q: What type of neutral pronoun would be used? K: We may see "they" emerge as way of recognizing that we are moving away from binary use.

K: Language evolves over time. And we may see “they” emerge in order to recognize that we need to move away from binary gender pronouns

K: Causes great harm for trans people having to see debates about their very existence everyday

K: I will not engage in ontological questions about whether trans people exist. Trans life ought not to be put up for debate at all.

Kirkup: Perplexed about these gender-reveal parties. Where a cake is baked either blue or pink and then the sex of the baby is “performed"

K: Important that conversations about law happen in some degree of reality Points his @TheAgenda discussion as case where it did not occur

K: (1/2) I want to talk about the legislation. What I have seen is a non serious debate.

K: (2/2) The only way Peterson wants to speak is when the speech is really on his own terms

K: (1/2) If a trans person is always being mis-gendered they may leave the market place of ideas.

K (2/2) Those who are not willing to put up with what people want to call them may retreat from marketplace of ideas.

K: It is important to not conflate freedom of expression and freedom from consequence.

K: Let's work through the actual legislation - it is the debate that we need.

Kirkup talk concludes. Thanks for tuning in to an enlightening discussion!