Nick Estes Merely being outdoors isn't enough to achieve the desired effect,
especially when these people make themselves such easy targets for the fascists.

Unless SOMEONE among them decides to RUN FOR OFFICE, they will *always* be stuck begging for good behavior from villains.

Ace Frahm Nick Estes This is the lie they tell you so you don't try.

The data says that if 3.5% of the population goes into rebellion and they refuse to comply with the government it will cause a shift from the people in power or they will lose power.

Ace Frahm Nick Estes Takes about a year of constant pushing against the system and shutting down systems, disruption, and the threat to topple the economy but it cab get the government to cave to the demands of a fairly small group of people.

TollinginPolitics Nick Estes Your statement is so generic & non-specific that it isn't even a plan that can work.

'data' huh? What 'data' supports the idea that 3.5% of the pop. gormlessly camping outside confronts power in any meaningful way? Prove that, and then you STILL have to prove you can get 3.5%

Ace Frahm Nick Estes bigthink.com/the-present/th…

If you had taken a class in international relations at some point in college, you would have come across this data set.

I clearly had assumed you were more educated than you are.

I won't make that mistake again, in the future only crayons for you.

TollinginPolitics Nick Estes TollinginPolitics Don't blame me for your own failure; it's not my job to support *your* argument.

Ace Frahm Nick Estes A similar situation happened in 2011 and 2012 in Egypt.

They camped in the square and the government used force against them.

This caused a backlash effect that caused more people to join the protest.

It is not the action of the protesters that matter.

TollinginPolitics Ace Frahm Nick Estes If the national guard gallops into the quad whipping protestors from horseback, I’ll have been wrong.

Electric, I. TollinginPolitics Nick Estes Electric, I., why is NATGUARD the criteria?
We already see that the ordinary police always eventually squelch the students' free-speech rights,
& pay no price for it.
It just takes them time,
day-by-day,
to arrest & charge all of the remaining students,
who slowly lose in court.

Ace Frahm TollinginPolitics Nick Estes Yes, it’s a much more effective tactic, and subtle enough that too few will be outraged for long enough to propagate it.

Electric, I. TollinginPolitics Nick Estes Electric, I. TollinginPolitics Nick Estes
I know we all wish for the best.

Let us resolve that whatever the strategy arguments,
we will not tear each other apart.