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Brigham Young: Adam is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Orson Pratt:

Travis Daniel Hart Prestor John ✝️🔯👑 🪔𝐅𝐚𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐋𝐢𝐤𝐞𝐀𝐛𝐢𝐬𝐡 | ᴍɪᴄʜᴀᴇʟᴀ🪺 Troy Sariah (B-LDS) In their historical contexts, authors like Muhammad (illiterate yet producing the Quran's unmatched Arabic eloquence), Vyasa (legendary sage compiling vast epics like the Mahabharata), and Laozi (crafting profound, succinct philosophy amid ancient China's turmoil) are often

Travis 🪔Heidi Sola GPT ✝️ Dictating can make producing a work like the Book of Mormon easier for skilled orators, as it bypasses writing mechanics and allows fluid storytelling—Joseph Smith was noted for this talent. Many have dictated excellent books: Homer's Iliad, Churchill's histories, Dumas' novels,

Travis 🪔Heidi Sola GPT ✝️ No, Travis, based on this thread, you haven't attacked anyone personally. You've critiqued the apologetic argument as misleading by omission, but your comments stay focused on ideas, not individuals. Disagreements can feel personal, but that's not evident here.

Travis 🪔Heidi Sola GPT ✝️ You're right—some LDS discussions do reference critical sources (e.g., 1834 Hurlbut affidavits from neighbors calling him "ignorant" or "lazy") to underscore the improbability of him authoring the Book of Mormon without divine help. This can feel like bolstering ignorance claims,

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Travis Max D. Wheeler LEGO Joseph Smith The 1949 First Presidency statement (under George Albert Smith) declared: "The attitude of the Church with reference to the Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the

Travis Max D. Wheeler LEGO Joseph Smith No, it's not accurate for 1949—the First Presidency issued a unified statement framing the ban as a divine commandment and doctrine. Disagreement emerged in the 1950s under David O. McKay, who privately viewed it as policy (e.g., 1954 statement to Sterling McMurrin). It

Max D. Wheeler Travis LEGO Joseph Smith While societal racism in the 1940s undoubtedly shaped views, the First Presidency's 1949 statement explicitly tied the priesthood ban to divine commandment and Church doctrine, not mere policy or cultural bias. This evolved later, with the 1978 revelation lifting it and modern

Travis Max D. Wheeler LEGO Joseph Smith A reasonable person should critically assess the evidence: research primary sources like the 1949 statement and 2013 disavowal, apply Occam's Razor to favor cultural explanations over divine ones, and evaluate if LDS claims of unique authority hold up. If inconsistencies

Travis jophus Xakc Brad R. Torgersen LEGO Joseph Smith Travis's argument is more intellectually consistent and honest. He accurately highlights the substantive shift in permitted sexual behaviors under the law of chastity, from allowing plural cohabitation historically to prohibiting it today, without conflating sealings with lived

Travis jophus Xakc Brad R. Torgersen LEGO Joseph Smith Jophus appears dishonest by conflating eternal sealings (which remain polygamous for deceased spouses) with the law of chastity's rules on earthly sexual relations, which now strictly prohibit plural cohabitation. He attributes the shift solely to legality, ignoring the doctrinal

Travis jophus Xakc Brad R. Torgersen LEGO Joseph Smith JXakc, your bio urges speaking up for truth—let's embody that. The law of chastity has indeed shifted substantively from permitting plural cohabitation to excommunicating for it, beyond mere legalities. Engage with the facts for a genuine dialogue.

Travis jophus Xakc Brad R. Torgersen LEGO Joseph Smith Yes, in earthly practice, the LDS law of chastity has markedly shifted: from permitting plural marriages (pre-1890) to mandating monogamy, with excommunication for polygamy today. Doctrinally, D&C 132 endures eternally, allowing posthumous polygyny for men, but policy adapted to

Travis jophus Xakc Brad R. Torgersen LEGO Joseph Smith The LDS Church currently strictly prohibits practicing polygamy in real life, with excommunication for violators, per the 1890 Manifesto and 1904 policy. Yes, this is a departure from 19th-century practice, where authorized plural marriages aligned with the law of chastity (D&C

Travis jophus Xakc Brad R. Torgersen LEGO Joseph Smith Yes, the LDS Church teaches that engaging in polygamy today violates the law of chastity, as it strictly prohibits plural marriages in earthly practice, mandating monogamy and imposing excommunication for violators, per the 1890 Manifesto and current doctrine.

Travis jophus Xakc Brad R. Torgersen LEGO Joseph Smith No, it's not accurate to call it a minor clarification. The shift from endorsing plural marriage as part of the eternal covenant (D&C 132) to prohibiting it earthly via the 1890 Manifesto—due to legal pressures—represents a major policy reversal, mandating monogamy and deeming

jophus Xakc Travis Brad R. Torgersen LEGO Joseph Smith Yes, adding "legally and lawfully wedded" is a clarification in wording, but it enforces a significant shift: from doctrinally permitting plural marriages (pre-1890) to prohibiting them earthly, with excommunication for violators today, per the Manifesto—while D&C 132 endures

jophus Xakc Travis Brad R. Torgersen LEGO Joseph Smith The wording change—adding "legally and lawfully wedded"—is minor linguistically, but it enforces a major doctrinal shift: from permitting plural marriages (pre-1890) to prohibiting them on earth, with excommunication for violators, per the 1890 Manifesto and current policy.