Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Roy Motteram ☂️🎪💙 Pete M. ( .--. . - . / -- ) …they also don’t offer PR, there really is nothing left of value to those that are pro EU, except for GTTO…and that might not be enough for everyone.

It is a colossal waste of time. Someone needs to lead, the question is if not Labour…who will it be?

Kresten Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Roy Motteram ☂️🎪💙 Pete M. ( .--. . - . / -- ) Getting Tories out IS very important. I don't even want to think about what another 5 years of Tory rule would do to the UK, both domestically and internationally.

Voting in a pro-Brexit 'Tory Light' LP gov is akin to LP 3-whip vote for BJ's oven ready Brexit: A huge misstep.

Brain burning 🔥🧠🔥 Kresten Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Pete M. ( .--. . - . / -- ) I think it's more than the need to get them out. If the europhobes stay in command of a significant Conservative Party, then accession will remain difficult if not impossible. They have to be driven so low that they become insignificant or have the europhiles take back control.

Roy Motteram ☂️🎪💙 Kresten Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Pete M. ( .--. . - . / -- ) There's absolutely nothing suggesting this is a realistic outcome, moreover, there's nothing that voting Labour will do to help that outcome along.

If anything, having both major parties be pro-Brexit will just entrench Brexit as the new status quo. The new normal.

Brain burning 🔥🧠🔥 Kresten Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Pete M. ( .--. . - . / -- ) You're right, I have no evidence. But I know that a europhobic Conservative party will be a constant block to accession, with us yo-yoing between convergence & divergence with the EU reluctant to have us back.
PR might be more reliable, but would take longer

Roy Motteram ☂️🎪💙 Brain burning 🔥🧠🔥 Kresten Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Europhobic Labour won't help much either.

Pete M. ( .--. . - . / -- ) Roy Motteram ☂️🎪💙 Brain burning 🔥🧠🔥 Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Labour is currently hard Brexit and anti PR.

They offer GTTO only.

That might very well be a significant improvement internally in the UK but promises zero change in the EU/UK relationship.

Furthermore without a change in the UK/EU relationship the Labour government will…

Kresten Pete M. ( .--. . - . / -- ) Brain burning 🔥🧠🔥 Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Labour is not 'hard Brexit' unless you have a very restricted definition of what 'hard Brexit' is. The hard Brexiters want nothing to do with Europe, while that's definitely not the case with Labour

Roy Motteram ☂️🎪💙 Kresten Pete M. ( .--. . - . / -- ) Brain burning 🔥🧠🔥 Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Hard Brexit is any Brexit that does not involve single market membership.

John Holman Roy Motteram ☂️🎪💙 Kresten Brain burning 🔥🧠🔥 Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 I suspect that Roy here will spend all day trying to convince rejoiners that Labour's Brexiters will do a better job of hard Brexit and are therefore worth our vote as it hurts the Tories.

That fact that any form of Brexit hurts everyone is irrelevant.

Pete M. ( .--. . - . / -- ) John Holman Kresten Brain burning 🔥🧠🔥 Tamara in Portugal 🇪🇺 🇵🇹 🇬🇧 🐈‍⬛ 🦋 🌴 Labour will most certainly do a better job of rebuilding relations with the EU.
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