The question is not whether DSA is different from the state (of course it is), but in what specific way is it different that means our workers should not have a right collective bargaining and can be laid off without cause.

I don’t think such a justification exists.

holy shit

dingerhilf shane ruiz because your theory is faulty

that's it

that's the reason

dingerhilf shane ruiz to the extent that your question has an answer, that is it

shane ruiz Yeah we gutted the steering committees and YDSA to do so who cost way less and are volunteer workers who have been at the forefront of Palestinian solidarity action. 260k is still a large deficit and the NPC already agreed to reduce the layoffs down from 12.

dingerhilf shane ruiz this one 'local' has more dues paying members than the entirety of tng-cwa

dingerhilf shane ruiz not every union has the exact same structure but I can tell you utla is not a local in any sense of the word that we're using here

dingerhilf shane ruiz you don't even have to ask

dsa union is organized under the tng-cwa, which claims a membership of 26k (roughly 1/4 that of dsa as a whole)

tng-cwa is affiliated with cwa, which has a total membership of 700k in the americas

dingerhilf shane ruiz oh no, i understand just fine

you're just asking a question that has no answer other than the one I've already given

dingerhilf shane ruiz the cwa employees are organized as the CWA Staff Union, which is affiliated with the AFL-CIO, which numbers 12.5 in membership

dingerhilf shane ruiz the dsa staff union is affiliated with tng-cwa which is affiliated with cwa whose employees are organized under afl-cio

shane ruiz “Without cause” is really pulling a lot of weight here. Without cause, I’d argue

dingerhilf shane ruiz on top of that it is dual-affiliated with the AFT and the NEA so almost certainly has their own internal structure that neither AFT nor NEA wholly provide

dingerhilf shane ruiz almost certainly not, the dsa union is organized as a local affiliate of tng-cwa

union staff that do work for it in terms of what a union needs will be assigned from the next level affiliate

dingerhilf shane ruiz the only managers that get unions I'm aware of *gesticulates wildly* are cops and school administrators

so no

but the guys that print the pamphlets, maintain lists of lawyers you can call up, and/or swabs the floor in the local halls? yeah they get unions

shane ruiz Cliff Connolly🇵🇸 The public sector is currently a hollow shell under neoliberal austerity. Even when it was properly funded, anyone with truly left wing convictions or who protested US imperialism was purged via demotion or firing, and the same rules apply today

Run Jabari Brisport run! 🏃🌹

That slow and steady wins the race thing was no joke. Aesop was on one that day.

shane ruiz Cliff Connolly🇵🇸 The point isn’t about labour standards but about the character of the organisation. The DSA is an org attempting to represent the long term interests of all workers (socialism by some means), not in representing a section of workers.

shane ruiz Cliff Connolly🇵🇸 This is why arguing it is like a union, or a public service, or something else, is misleading. It is a proto-party which organisers enter into very consciously, not purely a means of subsistence under capitalism.