Every now and then I post the actual costs of students and people lose their minds

Paul J. Dauenhauer Oh, you got it all wrong. This is not the 'cost of a student'. This is the cost of your research, which the student is doing for you while receiving a rather low compensation for their skilled work.

Milan Malinsky Paul J. Dauenhauer Students are working towards PhD degrees. During the PhD the students work with an advisor to *learn* how to conduct and communicate scientific research amongst other things.

Rachel Getman (she/her) Paul J. Dauenhauer In practice, PhD students (and postdocs, who are sometimes also labelled as 'trainees') conduct the vast majority of research that takes place at universities, at least in the STEM fields I know. They do the day-to-day work.

Rachel Getman (she/her) Paul J. Dauenhauer Yes, they also learn things. But this is not very different from anywhere else - learning on the job. Rarely, if ever, is a PhD designed as a student-centred learning program that would justify labelling all the costs as 'the costs of the student'.

Milan Malinsky Paul J. Dauenhauer On student centeredness (1/2): students choose their research project. PIs write grants with a max 10% funding rate to support those projects. PIs work with students to learn their career goals and work with them to identify research experiences/opportunities and class sequences

Milan Malinsky Paul J. Dauenhauer (2/3) To help students achieve those goals. We rearrange our schedules to accommodate student needs and learning opportunities. We drop what we’re doing day and night, weekday and weekend, to respond to student emails and texts. We fly across the country/globe to support