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The form. The form. Oh yes. The form 🤦🏼‍♂️ 😂

Well, technically if that had happened, we would have ALL won the referendum 🎤 💥

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Where did all the good Conservatives go?

Here’s an example of why it’s easy for proponents of foreigners coming to the UK to get wrong footed as anti-British And it’s an argument that’s hard to win with some xenophobes. Better to talk about FOM in terms of emigration & opportunity for British rather than immigration

No matter how much you understand about immigrants coming to the UK and value and welcome them, there will always be those who do not. This is an argument you can’t win with those people. Instead focus FOM on how it helps Brits

Niall Ó Conghaile 🇪🇺 Ian Hobart It might well be a long term political aspiration for Bxl but that's a very different thing from being 'indispensable'. Gaining consensus on that will be challenging given EEA, CH and existing opt outs.

Klavs Henriksen ER #ProEU #ProgressiveAlliance 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 Andrew Hesselden 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇸🇨🇭🇩🇪🇫🇷🇮🇹🇵🇹 Tom Hayes Niall Ó Conghaile 🇪🇺 Hugo Arbuthnot Again, thank you for underlining that the flexibility exists - and the EU can use it however it wants!

Niall Ó Conghaile 🇪🇺 Ian Hobart It’s much easier to understand the € as a political symbol for the EU. Therefore universality seems logical but not everyone agrees in the EU. Not everyone uses the € in the SM. It’s not indispensable to its operation. Trying to make it so is going to be challenging.

Ste By The Sea 🏝 🏖 🐬 🏴‍☠️ Andrew Hesselden 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇸🇨🇭🇩🇪🇫🇷🇮🇹🇵🇹 Andrew is correct in that Menon has never understood FoM. Menon says FoM is weird because it means your government no longer controls who comes into your country" this is false statement, UK always had controls but it never implemented the T&Cs like Belgium did with ID cards etc

Ste By The Sea 🏝 🏖 🐬 🏴‍☠️ Andrew Hesselden 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇸🇨🇭🇩🇪🇫🇷🇮🇹🇵🇹 For me this is not a silly point at all. This is a guy who was head of 1 of the most important think tanks in UK regards EU yet didn't understand the fundamentals of EU. Anand either is ignorant or more cynically used his platform 2 spread fake news regards EU.

Ste By The Sea 🏝 🏖 🐬 🏴‍☠️ Andrew Hesselden 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇸🇨🇭🇩🇪🇫🇷🇮🇹🇵🇹 Menon like majority of Brexiteers conflated internal EU migration (under FoM) with non EU migration (asylum seekers). Vote Leave campaign cynically used this 2 spread fear among voters & get Brexit over the line.Menon was complicit in this framing & invited weekly on the BBC

Klavs Henriksen ER #ProEU #ProgressiveAlliance 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 Andrew Hesselden 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇸🇨🇭🇩🇪🇫🇷🇮🇹🇵🇹 Tom Hayes Niall Ó Conghaile 🇪🇺 Hugo Arbuthnot If course there is - and the Euro proves it: everyone has to sign up for it, but they don't have to actually join it because of the built-in flexibility/interpretation of the criteria. Or was that an accident/poor drafting?

"...we need to ditch the idea that this can all be fixed with the UK joining something like the Customs Union, Single Market, or the EU since all of these will be difficult and lengthy negotiations..." David Henig It is likely that it takes more time and effort to improve... 1/

ER #ProEU #ProgressiveAlliance 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 Ian Hobart Klavs Henriksen Andrew Hesselden 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇸🇨🇭🇩🇪🇫🇷🇮🇹🇵🇹 Tom Hayes Niall Ó Conghaile 🇪🇺 Hugo Arbuthnot And thanks to you EU citizens for constantly telling us what we believe.

Klavs Henriksen Ian Hobart Andrew Hesselden 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇸🇨🇭🇩🇪🇫🇷🇮🇹🇵🇹 ER #ProEU #ProgressiveAlliance 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 Tom Hayes Niall Ó Conghaile 🇪🇺 Hugo Arbuthnot It's exceptionalism (as we say in UK)

Klavs Henriksen Ian Hobart ER #ProEU #ProgressiveAlliance 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 Andrew Hesselden 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇸🇨🇭🇩🇪🇫🇷🇮🇹🇵🇹 Tom Hayes Niall Ó Conghaile 🇪🇺 Hugo Arbuthnot But the UK's opt outs are still in those treaties you say they won't open up.

Andrew Hesselden 🇪🇺🇬🇧🇪🇸🇨🇭🇩🇪🇫🇷🇮🇹🇵🇹 Klavs Henriksen Ian Hobart Tom Hayes Niall Ó Conghaile 🇪🇺 Hugo Arbuthnot There are better reasons to do it but you're right if it's just for ideological reasons they're not better then the Brexiteers still pining for a sovereign empire.

Niall Ó Conghaile 🇪🇺 Rob Fitzgerald Ian Hobart I'd love the UK to take the € on that basis, but it's trivial s*** compared to regulatory standards, tariffs, cross border checks etc. If Norway can trade in the world market for oil in dollars perfectly well, then why does it need to adopt the €?